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	<title>Comments on: Open Letter to Michael Budkie</title>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://speakingofresearch.com/2009/07/28/open-letter-to-michael-budkie/#comment-2025</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Oct 2010 14:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s just the sort of nonsense that Speaking of Research was set up to counter.  If the evidence is so strong why does Budkie and his faux &quot;watchdog group&quot;* have to make up the bulk of his allegations.

Plenty of laboratories do let the public in to view them, but in many cases this is simple not practical due to the strick hygine regulations that apply to the labs (particularly SPF facilities). After all you wouldn&#039;t just let people tour operating rooms in hospitals without being very careful that their presence will not be a rick to the patient, the same applies to many labs.  In addition of course scientists have reasonable concern that activists may misrepresent what they see in the labs, Budkie is not the only AR activist who is adept at this.

I&#039;m not saying that nothing ever goes wrong in animal labs, just as in hospitals there are cases where individuals or institutions fail to meet the standards expected from them, that is why the various regulatory bodies record such failures and the actions taken to correct them, but the kind of misrepresentation that Budkie engages in is far, far more dishonest than anything the labs he targets have ever done.

And as for your claim of scientists improperly pocketing grant money, I suspect any scientist reading it will be quietly laughing at your naive ignorance.  

* &quot;watchdog groups&quot; are a favourite tactic of many anti-science groups.

http://scienceblogs.com/erv/2010/10/the_worst_idea_this_side_of_yo.php

http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2010/10/november_1-6_to_be_vaccine_awareness_wee.php]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s just the sort of nonsense that Speaking of Research was set up to counter.  If the evidence is so strong why does Budkie and his faux &#8220;watchdog group&#8221;* have to make up the bulk of his allegations.</p>
<p>Plenty of laboratories do let the public in to view them, but in many cases this is simple not practical due to the strick hygine regulations that apply to the labs (particularly SPF facilities). After all you wouldn&#8217;t just let people tour operating rooms in hospitals without being very careful that their presence will not be a rick to the patient, the same applies to many labs.  In addition of course scientists have reasonable concern that activists may misrepresent what they see in the labs, Budkie is not the only AR activist who is adept at this.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying that nothing ever goes wrong in animal labs, just as in hospitals there are cases where individuals or institutions fail to meet the standards expected from them, that is why the various regulatory bodies record such failures and the actions taken to correct them, but the kind of misrepresentation that Budkie engages in is far, far more dishonest than anything the labs he targets have ever done.</p>
<p>And as for your claim of scientists improperly pocketing grant money, I suspect any scientist reading it will be quietly laughing at your naive ignorance.  </p>
<p>* &#8220;watchdog groups&#8221; are a favourite tactic of many anti-science groups.</p>
<p><a href="http://scienceblogs.com/erv/2010/10/the_worst_idea_this_side_of_yo.php" rel="nofollow">http://scienceblogs.com/erv/2010/10/the_worst_idea_this_side_of_yo.php</a></p>
<p><a href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2010/10/november_1-6_to_be_vaccine_awareness_wee.php" rel="nofollow">http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2010/10/november_1-6_to_be_vaccine_awareness_wee.php</a></p>
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		<title>By: Animal Testing is cruel</title>
		<link>http://speakingofresearch.com/2009/07/28/open-letter-to-michael-budkie/#comment-2021</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Animal Testing is cruel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Oct 2010 04:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If it wasn&#039;t for watch dog groups going under cover with their videos filming out right aniimal cruelty going on on the labs, you maybe able to pull off your bull shit well written explanation of &quot;science research&quot;. Sadly I know lots of research people who worked in those labs and became wistlblowers because of the out right FRAUD &amp; CRUELTY of these sick sadistic sciencetist who line their pockets with half the grant money and cutting corners on the care of the animals they cut open. Often times they will not feed or give them water as a means to control them. If nothing is wrong with animal research them OPEN the lab doors and let the public in to see what they are doing to these animals. Your sorry letter to the activist is  just damage control and it shows everyone your worried the truth will come out one day, so you attack the activist!  Shame on you! My friends who worked in research labs offer came home with horror stories about what they did/saw to an animal. Even they knew it was fraud ( in their medical point of view) and CRUEL.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it wasn&#8217;t for watch dog groups going under cover with their videos filming out right aniimal cruelty going on on the labs, you maybe able to pull off your bull shit well written explanation of &#8220;science research&#8221;. Sadly I know lots of research people who worked in those labs and became wistlblowers because of the out right FRAUD &amp; CRUELTY of these sick sadistic sciencetist who line their pockets with half the grant money and cutting corners on the care of the animals they cut open. Often times they will not feed or give them water as a means to control them. If nothing is wrong with animal research them OPEN the lab doors and let the public in to see what they are doing to these animals. Your sorry letter to the activist is  just damage control and it shows everyone your worried the truth will come out one day, so you attack the activist!  Shame on you! My friends who worked in research labs offer came home with horror stories about what they did/saw to an animal. Even they knew it was fraud ( in their medical point of view) and CRUEL.</p>
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		<title>By: J. Mujica</title>
		<link>http://speakingofresearch.com/2009/07/28/open-letter-to-michael-budkie/#comment-1001</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J. Mujica]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 06:26:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And you would stop experimenting on other species??? How could we trust you??? Pleaseeeee...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And you would stop experimenting on other species??? How could we trust you??? Pleaseeeee&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Thru the Looking Glass</title>
		<link>http://speakingofresearch.com/2009/07/28/open-letter-to-michael-budkie/#comment-988</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Thru the Looking Glass]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 18:01:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[J. Mulica and Animal Support, come volunteer to be test subjects in my lab please.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J. Mulica and Animal Support, come volunteer to be test subjects in my lab please.</p>
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		<title>By: Animal Support</title>
		<link>http://speakingofresearch.com/2009/07/28/open-letter-to-michael-budkie/#comment-966</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Animal Support]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 20:02:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here Here! Thank You J. Mujica. I am so sick of hearing these monies stealing animal killers make excuses. Lets stop the money and see if they still want to do the research...if they are so dedicated to their cause. I think NOT!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here Here! Thank You J. Mujica. I am so sick of hearing these monies stealing animal killers make excuses. Lets stop the money and see if they still want to do the research&#8230;if they are so dedicated to their cause. I think NOT!!</p>
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		<title>By: J. Mujica</title>
		<link>http://speakingofresearch.com/2009/07/28/open-letter-to-michael-budkie/#comment-932</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J. Mujica]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 05:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You are responding him in the same way you are critizing him, with retoric. You are only showing that you know all the &quot;protocols&quot; (that we should assume are fulfilled) in every research. You never explained why you are &quot;creating&quot; an environment for a previously healthy animal to &quot;simulate&quot; a human disease (that you know as I know) it has been killing humans for many many years... and still the results are very unsatisfactory. You did not explain how many thousands of ways you can apply suffering to primates (our next of kin) and for how long, when you are ignoring the cause of the disease creating all the scenario to, yes, duplicate a human disease in a lab animal. You may impress some with your scientific vocabulary, but you still do not get the results you are promising using animals. And , in the same way you gave an example, I&#039;ll give you other: you are mixing apples and oranges doing research with other species. You are in a dead end, but as long as you get the money, it will continue. And check your records, because there has been an increase in the animals used, even though you claim the opposite.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are responding him in the same way you are critizing him, with retoric. You are only showing that you know all the &#8220;protocols&#8221; (that we should assume are fulfilled) in every research. You never explained why you are &#8220;creating&#8221; an environment for a previously healthy animal to &#8220;simulate&#8221; a human disease (that you know as I know) it has been killing humans for many many years&#8230; and still the results are very unsatisfactory. You did not explain how many thousands of ways you can apply suffering to primates (our next of kin) and for how long, when you are ignoring the cause of the disease creating all the scenario to, yes, duplicate a human disease in a lab animal. You may impress some with your scientific vocabulary, but you still do not get the results you are promising using animals. And , in the same way you gave an example, I&#8217;ll give you other: you are mixing apples and oranges doing research with other species. You are in a dead end, but as long as you get the money, it will continue. And check your records, because there has been an increase in the animals used, even though you claim the opposite.</p>
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		<title>By: Denis Alexander</title>
		<link>http://speakingofresearch.com/2009/07/28/open-letter-to-michael-budkie/#comment-750</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Denis Alexander]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 00:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Do you really think he is going to respond?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you really think he is going to respond?</p>
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