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	<title>Comments on: Oklahoma University President Interferes with Federally Funded Health Research</title>
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		<title>By: Paul Browne</title>
		<link>http://speakingofresearch.com/2009/12/02/oklahoma-university-president-interferes-with-federally-funded-health-research/#comment-1140</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Browne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:43:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gothcha lookin &quot;Doxycycline is all you need&quot; Well it isn&#039;t, at least not with the inhalational anthrax that people are worried about.  For example in the 2001 bioterrorist attacks only 60% of those with inhalational anthrax survived* despite treatment with combination antibiotic therapy, clearly better treatment regimes are required.
http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/eid/vol7no6/jernigan.htm

While your claims about the side effects of the current anthrax vaccines are wildly inaccurate (though it does have side effects) you are at least correct in saying that it is not helpful if given after exposure.  That is one of the reasons why scientists are working on developing vaccines that can be used in post-exposure prophylaxis, as well as the benefit of having a generally improved vaccine that can be given to the few individuals (e.g. soldiers) considered to be at a higher risk of exposure to anthrax.

* still a lot better than the less than 10% that would be expected to have survived without antibiotic treatment.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gothcha lookin &#8220;Doxycycline is all you need&#8221; Well it isn&#8217;t, at least not with the inhalational anthrax that people are worried about.  For example in the 2001 bioterrorist attacks only 60% of those with inhalational anthrax survived* despite treatment with combination antibiotic therapy, clearly better treatment regimes are required.<br />
<a href="http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/eid/vol7no6/jernigan.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/eid/vol7no6/jernigan.htm</a></p>
<p>While your claims about the side effects of the current anthrax vaccines are wildly inaccurate (though it does have side effects) you are at least correct in saying that it is not helpful if given after exposure.  That is one of the reasons why scientists are working on developing vaccines that can be used in post-exposure prophylaxis, as well as the benefit of having a generally improved vaccine that can be given to the few individuals (e.g. soldiers) considered to be at a higher risk of exposure to anthrax.</p>
<p>* still a lot better than the less than 10% that would be expected to have survived without antibiotic treatment.</p>
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		<title>By: Gothcha Lookin</title>
		<link>http://speakingofresearch.com/2009/12/02/oklahoma-university-president-interferes-with-federally-funded-health-research/#comment-1138</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gothcha Lookin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 04:19:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You really don&#039;t need the vaccine after exposure to anthrax:  Doxycycline is all you need - and you can get that as a generic for less than 10-cents a tab - compared to the over $25 a dose fee for the human anthrax vaccine.  Most dentists will prescribe doxycycline as a prophylactic against infections after minor gum cleanings.  What people don&#039;t get is that anthrax is all around us.  Only if t is prepared as a coated dried spore bioweapon is inhalation anthrax likely to be lethal, and then, only because exposed persons fail to get the necessary doxycyline within 48-hours of exposure - because they assume they have the flu.  The VACCINE WILL NOT HELP ANYONE WHO IS EXPOSED.  Post-exposure use of the vaccine is not recommended. It is too late.   The vaccine requires a series of 5 initial injections over 6 months just to get to a usable concentration of antibodies against the anthrax protective antigen.  And then, an annual booster shot is required because the memory B-cells that produce the antibodies are destroyed by the immune system because the antibodies produced are not safe.  To attain lifetime immunity, memory B-cells are cultured by the body and are allowed to clone their immunity into future generations of cells.  Evidence of FURIN sequestering antibodies is in the over 685,000 cases of auto-immune disease being tracked by the Veterans Administration and the over 20,000 deaths that have resulted from cancers of the thyroid, skin, nerves, lymphoma, leukemia, breast, etc.  Because these antibodies can cross the feto-placental barrier to harm unborn children, they have caused hundreds of birth defects among military personnel in the US, UK, Canada, Australia, and Israel.  The human anthrax vaccine program has to be stopped.  It has killed and maimed too many people to be ignored anymore.  US Army microbiologists should not be allowed to dictate the safety of a drug that is masquerading as a vaccine without conforming to FDA drug licensing safety testing requirements.  Afterall, they are not medical doctors - are they?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You really don&#8217;t need the vaccine after exposure to anthrax:  Doxycycline is all you need &#8211; and you can get that as a generic for less than 10-cents a tab &#8211; compared to the over $25 a dose fee for the human anthrax vaccine.  Most dentists will prescribe doxycycline as a prophylactic against infections after minor gum cleanings.  What people don&#8217;t get is that anthrax is all around us.  Only if t is prepared as a coated dried spore bioweapon is inhalation anthrax likely to be lethal, and then, only because exposed persons fail to get the necessary doxycyline within 48-hours of exposure &#8211; because they assume they have the flu.  The VACCINE WILL NOT HELP ANYONE WHO IS EXPOSED.  Post-exposure use of the vaccine is not recommended. It is too late.   The vaccine requires a series of 5 initial injections over 6 months just to get to a usable concentration of antibodies against the anthrax protective antigen.  And then, an annual booster shot is required because the memory B-cells that produce the antibodies are destroyed by the immune system because the antibodies produced are not safe.  To attain lifetime immunity, memory B-cells are cultured by the body and are allowed to clone their immunity into future generations of cells.  Evidence of FURIN sequestering antibodies is in the over 685,000 cases of auto-immune disease being tracked by the Veterans Administration and the over 20,000 deaths that have resulted from cancers of the thyroid, skin, nerves, lymphoma, leukemia, breast, etc.  Because these antibodies can cross the feto-placental barrier to harm unborn children, they have caused hundreds of birth defects among military personnel in the US, UK, Canada, Australia, and Israel.  The human anthrax vaccine program has to be stopped.  It has killed and maimed too many people to be ignored anymore.  US Army microbiologists should not be allowed to dictate the safety of a drug that is masquerading as a vaccine without conforming to FDA drug licensing safety testing requirements.  Afterall, they are not medical doctors &#8211; are they?</p>
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		<title>By: mat</title>
		<link>http://speakingofresearch.com/2009/12/02/oklahoma-university-president-interferes-with-federally-funded-health-research/#comment-1131</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 18:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ix- it was to be baboons, not chimpanzees. It is important to be clear given the distorted ranting about endangered species upthread. Vanishingly small amounts of biomedical research uses chimpanzees. The ARA foot soldiers are indoctrinated to try to give the public the idea that there is a lot of research using endangered nonhuman primates. This is a falsehood. Don&#039;t play their lying game.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ix- it was to be baboons, not chimpanzees. It is important to be clear given the distorted ranting about endangered species upthread. Vanishingly small amounts of biomedical research uses chimpanzees. The ARA foot soldiers are indoctrinated to try to give the public the idea that there is a lot of research using endangered nonhuman primates. This is a falsehood. Don&#8217;t play their lying game.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Browne</title>
		<link>http://speakingofresearch.com/2009/12/02/oklahoma-university-president-interferes-with-federally-funded-health-research/#comment-1121</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Browne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 10:46:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[LOL, the current human anthrax vaccines (anthrax vaccine adsorbed (AVA; BioThrax) and anthrax vaccine precipitated (AVP) ) target an anthrax protein known as the  protective antigene (PA) which binds to cells in the body via the Furin protein, they do not target furin.

The binding of PA to Furin starts an enzymatic process that enables anthrax toxins to enter the cells and to suppress the immune system, both damaging tissue and depressing the ability of the immune system to fight the anthrax infection.  The current vaccines work by inducing the immune system to produce antibodies to PA, thus preventing illness and enabling the immune system to attack the anthrax bacteria.  The idea that the vaccine turns humans into anthrax delivery systems is conspiracy theorist nonsense, even if the vaccine did turn people into anthrax carriers person-to-person transmission is extremely inefficient (and might not happen at all for inhalational anthrax) so as a weapon it would be useless.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL, the current human anthrax vaccines (anthrax vaccine adsorbed (AVA; BioThrax) and anthrax vaccine precipitated (AVP) ) target an anthrax protein known as the  protective antigene (PA) which binds to cells in the body via the Furin protein, they do not target furin.</p>
<p>The binding of PA to Furin starts an enzymatic process that enables anthrax toxins to enter the cells and to suppress the immune system, both damaging tissue and depressing the ability of the immune system to fight the anthrax infection.  The current vaccines work by inducing the immune system to produce antibodies to PA, thus preventing illness and enabling the immune system to attack the anthrax bacteria.  The idea that the vaccine turns humans into anthrax delivery systems is conspiracy theorist nonsense, even if the vaccine did turn people into anthrax carriers person-to-person transmission is extremely inefficient (and might not happen at all for inhalational anthrax) so as a weapon it would be useless.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Demolay</title>
		<link>http://speakingofresearch.com/2009/12/02/oklahoma-university-president-interferes-with-federally-funded-health-research/#comment-1120</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jack Demolay]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 04:08:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Still better than dying from Anthrax though.  Don&#039;t worry, if you&#039;re ever exposed to Anthrax, we won&#039;t give you the vaccine.  I won&#039;t lose any sleep over it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Still better than dying from Anthrax though.  Don&#8217;t worry, if you&#8217;re ever exposed to Anthrax, we won&#8217;t give you the vaccine.  I won&#8217;t lose any sleep over it.</p>
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		<title>By: G.Francione</title>
		<link>http://speakingofresearch.com/2009/12/02/oklahoma-university-president-interferes-with-federally-funded-health-research/#comment-1119</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[G.Francione]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 01:58:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Oklahoma State University decision may be correct for a different reason: The design center for first, second, and third generation human anthrax vaccines is to interfere with the anthrax disease process - while not teaching the human immune system to kill anthrax bacteria. The current human anthrax vaccine provides temporary 1-year tolerance to anthrax bacteria, at the risk of incurring severe auto-immune disease and releasing malignant cancers when it subverts the human immune system by inducing the creation of antibodies which will sequester the FURIN protein. Such antibodies can also cross the feto-placental barrier and cause severe birth defects. Temporary tolerance allows live humans to be anthrax delivery agents. OSU is correct to not support the research for any drug masquerading as a vaccine which supports the unethical use of humans, or any other living thing, as a bioweapon delivery system. See Scott Miller&#039;s documentary &quot;A CALL TO ARMS 2009 EDITION.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Oklahoma State University decision may be correct for a different reason: The design center for first, second, and third generation human anthrax vaccines is to interfere with the anthrax disease process &#8211; while not teaching the human immune system to kill anthrax bacteria. The current human anthrax vaccine provides temporary 1-year tolerance to anthrax bacteria, at the risk of incurring severe auto-immune disease and releasing malignant cancers when it subverts the human immune system by inducing the creation of antibodies which will sequester the FURIN protein. Such antibodies can also cross the feto-placental barrier and cause severe birth defects. Temporary tolerance allows live humans to be anthrax delivery agents. OSU is correct to not support the research for any drug masquerading as a vaccine which supports the unethical use of humans, or any other living thing, as a bioweapon delivery system. See Scott Miller&#8217;s documentary &#8220;A CALL TO ARMS 2009 EDITION.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Marty</title>
		<link>http://speakingofresearch.com/2009/12/02/oklahoma-university-president-interferes-with-federally-funded-health-research/#comment-1116</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marty]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 15:42:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jack,

You are so right! You want to see venom and hatred, visit some of the &quot;animal rights&quot; bloggers--most are scary anti-social fanatics. Then there are the &quot;wolves in sheep&#039;s clothing&quot; like *Don* Pacelli of the H$U$--who pay a top PR firm to snow the American people while he plans the incremental legislative steps to end animal use.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jack,</p>
<p>You are so right! You want to see venom and hatred, visit some of the &#8220;animal rights&#8221; bloggers&#8211;most are scary anti-social fanatics. Then there are the &#8220;wolves in sheep&#8217;s clothing&#8221; like *Don* Pacelli of the H$U$&#8211;who pay a top PR firm to snow the American people while he plans the incremental legislative steps to end animal use.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Demolay</title>
		<link>http://speakingofresearch.com/2009/12/02/oklahoma-university-president-interferes-with-federally-funded-health-research/#comment-1115</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jack Demolay]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 13:01:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thom,

It&#039;s takes great big cajones to state we&#039;re the ones full of hatred.  We don&#039;t run around in black masks leaving bombs on people&#039;s doorsteps or blowing up their cars. It&#039;s the animal rights nut jobs that are full of hatred for anyone that doesn&#039;t agree with them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thom,</p>
<p>It&#8217;s takes great big cajones to state we&#8217;re the ones full of hatred.  We don&#8217;t run around in black masks leaving bombs on people&#8217;s doorsteps or blowing up their cars. It&#8217;s the animal rights nut jobs that are full of hatred for anyone that doesn&#8217;t agree with them.</p>
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		<title>By: ThomT</title>
		<link>http://speakingofresearch.com/2009/12/02/oklahoma-university-president-interferes-with-federally-funded-health-research/#comment-1114</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ThomT]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 06:29:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You vivesectionists are just mad because your losing control and it ain&#039;t pretty. The world no longer revolves around you and people don&#039;t like what your doing to the animals. It is worth it to visit this blog just to see you boys squirm with hatred!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You vivesectionists are just mad because your losing control and it ain&#8217;t pretty. The world no longer revolves around you and people don&#8217;t like what your doing to the animals. It is worth it to visit this blog just to see you boys squirm with hatred!!!</p>
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		<title>By: bio88</title>
		<link>http://speakingofresearch.com/2009/12/02/oklahoma-university-president-interferes-with-federally-funded-health-research/#comment-1111</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bio88]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 21:49:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[RIght. I mean there&#039;s really no difference between research on something like anthrax that is deadly and needs to be addressed for development of vaccines compared to run-of-the-mill experiments.  Why the hell would we want to study something that could be potentially used against us as a bio-terror agent.  Get a clue you moron, this is not just pissing in the wind, it&#039;s to save lives and generate effective medicine for future generations not build &quot;franken animals&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RIght. I mean there&#8217;s really no difference between research on something like anthrax that is deadly and needs to be addressed for development of vaccines compared to run-of-the-mill experiments.  Why the hell would we want to study something that could be potentially used against us as a bio-terror agent.  Get a clue you moron, this is not just pissing in the wind, it&#8217;s to save lives and generate effective medicine for future generations not build &#8220;franken animals&#8221;.</p>
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