We previously discussed the anti-vaccination stance of a member of the animal rights group “Progress for Science”. The fact that this individual prefers oregano oil, ginger, garlic, and other herbs over vaccines did not come as a surprise. We have already noted the strong similarities between the arguments espoused by the anti-vaccination and animal rights groups. But you may be asking yourself — just how prevalent is the view among animal rights activists? It turns out the position can be traced all the way up to prominent academics, such a Professor Gary Francione:
Yes, you heard right (play it again if in doubt) — Rutgers Law Professor Gary Francione does not believe in vaccinations. He is not alone. The exuberant applause he receives comes from animal rights supporters in the audience, and you can easily judge there are no shortage of them.
How could this be? You would think that any reasonable person who looks at the data ought to conclude that childhood vaccinations do in fact work and that, without any shred of doubt whatsoever, they save thousands and thousands of human (and animal) lives each year.
Take a look at the incidence of measles and diphtheria over the last decades, for example, and notice how the numbers drop precipitously as vaccines for these illnesses were introduced. You can find similar graphs for many other common diseases.
If Professor Francione had any children he would not vaccinate them. What about those who have children? Does he truly understand what would happen if the public were to follow his recommendation? The data say that millions would die each year.
It is shocking that a respected scholar offers a view that is nothing short of a pubic health hazard. It is mind-boggling that anyone who calls himself compassionate would put the lives of so many children at risk. What kind of meaningful ethical discussion can one possibly have with those who blatantly reject scientific facts and deny past contributions of the work to human health?
One must also recognize there is something ludicrous about the entire situation. On one hand, many animal rights activists deny the benefits of animal research. On the other, they work extremely hard to argue they should be entitled to the benefits of the very same work they oppose.
Thus, we see hear Professor Francione say he does not believe in vaccinations (and other pharmaceuticals?) and but elsewhere he writes —
[…] Those who object to animal use for [animal research], however, have no control as individuals over government regulations or corporate policies concerning animals. To say that they cannot consistently criticize the actions of government or industry while they derive benefits from these actions, over which they have no control, is absurd as a matter of logic. (Francione 1995, 181).
No, it is not absurd. While it is true he may not have control over government actions or policies he does have control over his healthcare and that of his family. In fact, he exemplified for us how he would exercise that control by not vaccinating his children.
Consider the following analogy. Suppose you are a social activist who forcefully opposes child and forced labor practices. You discover that a particular US company manufactures its products overseas under deplorable labor conditions. Would you still buy form such a company or boycott its products? Is there any way in which you can say that you morally oppose forced labor but argue you are nevertheless entitled to benefit from the cheap prices the company has to offer? If you were to buy from such a company can you be surprised if someone called you a called a hypocrite? After all, would be supporting, financing and perpetuating a practice you consider immoral and advocate against. It makes sense to argue the same applies to animal research.
Many animal rights activists may respond the analogy is not adequate because, in the case of refusing healthcare derived from animal research, the outcome may include death, instead of the more mundane consequence of not purchasing the latest smart phone. This would be a curious argument coming from those who fail to acknowledge the benefits of the research in the first place. Nevertheless, in objecting in such a way they would be making our case — animal research saves lives. Herein lies the moral dilemma opponents of research who refuse to confront even when it is their own lives that are saved by the work of biomedical researchers.
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28 thoughts on “Gary Francione: “I don’t believe in vaccinations””
If you’ve accepted a claim of which you have no data to verify then the rational thing to do would be to admit and own up to it, not childishly call the person who pointed it out names. Good grief indeed.
Knee jerk, much? So you cannot point me to the data? Also you throw out out an ad hominem. How rational of you. If you reject out of hand my link to the actual data then you are being non scientific, sir. Good day to you. Enjoy your ideology and your hero worship!
Let me know when you finish reading these and I can give you more… In the meantime, back to celebrating the eradication of Polio!
Click to access 9241561106.pdf
Click to access vsus_1950_1.pdf
Click to access vsrates1940_60.pdf
Right… By linking to these large documents you are suggesting that the data within support the non-sourced CDC graphs and inversely discredit the graphs I have linked to. Thus the burden is on you to show us all how. Citing pages would suffice.
I will however read them with great interest, so thank you for providing them.
You don’t seem to have done much research before.
You don’t have to read it all!
There are things called indices.
Suppose you are interested in measles… you can go to the index in:
Click to access vsrates1940_60.pdf
Page 5, 19. Death by measles… page 85.
You go to page 85 and ta-da… you see the graph you are looking for.
Ta da! Measles vaccine wasn’t even introduced yet in 1960.. So how does this support your claims based on the CDC graph?
True — the measles vaccine was first introduced in the 1963 or so… but I never argued that other factors did not influence public health — of course they did (read any of the books I recommended). If you want to find out the effects of introducing vaccines to the incidence of a disease you have to look how how the data change around the time the vaccines were first licensed; the data do show dramatic drops. Your argument is that vaccines had no effect. That’s just nonsense give these data… or, alternatively, you can look at the resurgence of disease in the US after people decide not to vaccinate children any more. Out of curiosity, are DnA vaccinated?
How is that my argument? You do know other people can read my comments and see I never made such a claim, right? Also, how would you know if I had children or if I would vaccinate them or not? Celebrate a little too hard did you? Look, if you want to commit fallacy after fallacy as you have throughout this thread that’s on you and your reputation. All the best and good luck with all that. You may have noticed by now that the graph you have so graciously pointed out actually contradicts the graph you have in your original post (which the CDC also uses) and confirms that the graph I linked to is accurate. I see that irritates you. That’s too bad.
I encourage you to look into this thing called vaccine failure. If you haven’t noticed all the outbreaks of “vaccine preventable” diseases in highly vaccinated populations recently then you are simply blinded by your ideology.
I take this means DnA are not vaccinated… but I see you have no objections to rushing them to the hospital if they hit their head. I wish you the best to you and your two beautiful kids. Live long and stay healthy.
If you think that nonsense helps your arguments, Dario.. What are you on?
Oh I see. You think being a creepy online stalker (and apparently proud of it) will somehow help your argument… As you *should* know, it does not… and neither do your ridiculous unfounded assertions. Again, it’s your reputation. If you care so little about it that’s your business.
Lucas, you have a very public web-site that appears to promote a parenting style which, I suspect, includes skipping childhood vaccinations. Thus, you are subject to fair criticism. The fact that vaccines work is an undeniable scientific fact. The choice of those who put their children (and the rest of us) at risk by skipping vaccinations is what needs justification.
What are the sources of your graphs? Like the CDC website, you do not cite one. Should we really just accept these graphs so uncritically?
CDC, Unicef, WHO, the data are everywhere!
Point me to it please! I have provided graphs with sources if you can please. Appeals to authority don’t count. Thanks!
It is Salk’s 100th birthday! Do you think I am going to spend it replying to anti-vaxxers? Good grief…
Here is a source: http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/189/Supplement_1/S1.long (note they use the same graph but with a logarithmic scale, so the drop doesn’t look so dramatic, but is.
Vaccines can be made from human cell lines, and indeed are in many cases. So why don’t we make them all of human cell lines? Because its cheaper and well established to use chick embryo cells. We would have to do research to actually make them all from human cells and this costs money. But it could be easily done if we chose to invest the necessary resources. Animal researchers often claim they hold the welfare of animals in high regard and uphold the 3 Rs, but here is a good example of where they do not.
Are vegans therefore responsible for the deaths of those animals if they use vaccines. I would say it is the pharmaceutical companies and the government who are responsible. Take for comparison buying a laptop that contains rare metals derived from conflict zones or mined by people paid a pittance to risk their lives, as is indeed the case. I do not think I am responsible for the unethical way it was produced, obtaining rare earth metals from conflict zones are not a necessary and intrinsic part of the lap production. We do have an obligation to support change however so I campaign to legislate for ethical manufacturing practices, and if there was an ethical laptop I would buy it in the hope that it would convince other manufacturers to follow suit.
Similarly, with vaccinations the killing of animals is not a necessary and intrinsic part of the production, it merely happens to be how it is done by the pharmaceutical companies.
This article appears to discredit those in favor of animal rights as “anti-science.” It the article doesn’t achieve this, the comments certainly do. I am a vegan and I subscribe to many of Professor Francione’s theories. However, I certainly don’t agree that people should not vaccinate their children. Many of my colleagues–also vegans, and two of whom are scientists–are of the same mindset. So please, enough generalizing.
There is no generalization. The article does not say that all animal activists reject vaccinations and other medications, but that many do… I do believe that any reasonable discussion about the ethics of animal research ought to start by acknowledging past benefits of the work. He clearly cannot bring himself to do that.
Vaccines are often made in captive animals or cells derived from sacrificed animals and tested for safety in animals. If you accept vaccination (for you or your children) and oppose the (highly regulated and humane) use of animals in research then you are a hypocrite.
It seems to me that a widespread misconception about the contribution of animal testing to medicine is that it is only about drug safety testing. If you have the idea that it would be possible to skip this step, as you see with cosmetics (“cruelty free” products), then the quoted argument by francione would make sense. An appropriate analogy would be if all food would be transported by companies that use child labor. You wouldn’t have an alternative source, so you would keep using that food, but at the same time advocate for change in practice.
The reason why this analogy would be flawed is that animal testing is not something that happens along the way when drugs are developed, but it is critical to the development of many drugs and treatments. Without animal testing, we wouldn’t even know how diseases work and what to target when developing a drug.
You guys know that, but when discussing the ethics of using drugs that were tested on animals,
I think it is important to emphasize that point.
One of the major issues with the ‘animal rights’ movement, and attempting to have a discussion, is that, for them, it’s an emotional rather than rational issue; they equate animals with humans- or, as is more often the case, value animals more highly than they do humans. You can never overcome emotions like this with logic. It’s an unfortunate truth.
In response to the vaccination issue, we must not allow children to attend school without vaccination- indeed, I argue that ‘opting out’ in any case is not an option- it’s a public health issue that outweighs the emotional needs of ‘the one’.
Reblogged this on unlikelyactivist and commented:
It’s a great thing that many anti-science kooks like Gary Francione don’t have children…. If they did, it’s their children who would be paying the price. Of course, their opposition to humane and responsible biomedical research means they want your children to pay the price instead.
He doesn’t have children but he has dogs… and one wonders… are his dogs vaccinated?
I’ve noted that a high prevalence of anti-vaccination attitudes and high levels of support for alternative therapies (the great majority of which are complete bunk) is very common in animal rights circles, and it doesn’t surprise me much.
On the one hand convincing yourself that vaccines – and other products of scientific and evidenced based medicine – are not beneficial is probably for many a good way to avoid the ethical dilemma you mention above, until of course they are faced with serious acute health problem for which there are no alternatives to scientific medicine (at which point another form of denial takes over).
On the other hand if your starting point is a disbelief in scientific medicine than you are hardly going to support animal research to develop that medicine.
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